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New Community: Teach Us To Pray Sep. 27th, 2005 @ 02:12 pm
brennakate
Hey, guys,

I started a new community called teachustopray. It's been on my heart for a while to do, so here it is! Please spread the word and join if you're interested. See blurb about it below:

As followers of Christ, Jesus commanded us to pray. Then why does prayer often feel like such hard work?

Even the disciples struggled with how to pray. As Jews, they knew plenty of words to say, but still, after watching Jesus and observing His prayer life, they earnestly asked Him, "Lord, teach us to pray."

This community is for any who have the same cry in their hearts that the disciples did 2000 years ago. It's for all of us out there who want to learn more about prayer, how to pray, what has helped others to establish prayer habits, and anything else that might be helpful. This is also a place for seasoned prayer warriors to share wisdom on how their prayer lives have developed other time.

This is a Christian community. Please feel free to post!



(If community promos are not allowed here, I apologize. Feel free to delete this if that's the case.)

May. 31st, 2005 @ 11:17 am
heyunyi
Have you ever had someone you really cared about just flat out tell you, "I don't care if what I have isn't the truth, and I don't care if what you have is the truth, I don't want anything else!"

It's depressing.

:(

Mar. 14th, 2005 @ 11:59 am
blairpettrey
i sent "THE LETTER" to "my" bishop, stake president, and member records.
it's now only a matter of time.
i finally did it!

Definition of a Cult Jan. 29th, 2005 @ 01:37 pm
brennakate
I wanted to jot down a couple ideas from the book, "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Walter Martin.

Pg. 17:
"Dr. Braden says the following: 'By the term cult I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified. A cult, as I define it, in any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture.' I may add to this that a cult might also be defined as a group of people gathered about a specific person or person's misinterpretation of the Bible."

I found that helpful. It's a really good book.

Jan. 12th, 2005 @ 06:53 pm
blairpettrey
I wonder if this time I'll actually go through with it this time?

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» Disciples of Christ
Does anyone know anything about the "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)" (http://www.disciples.org/)? Are they considered to be a cult?

Any info would be helpful.
» i came up w. my -own- 10 things...
what i wish all Utah mormons knew :

1. the amish are realesed when they are 16. they go into the cities and live in the world, and when they are 18, they can either choose to come back to the amish way of life or leave. not that i'm saying go move away from your family and what you know, but take a risk. find a reason for what you believe. if it means going inactive for a while and finding out how being active makes you feel vs. being inactive, or whtaever, do it.
2. don't get married young. as much as you may think you're in love; it's most likely a state of Euphoria, which will fade after a year of marriage when you're popping out a child, that will keep you up at all hours, and be more work than you ever could have imagined... and you realize your husband aint all the help he said he was going to be... and then going and doing this the typical 9x.
3. enjoy life while you have the chance. travel, see the world. learn what others believe. just because you learn about catholism or buddhism or judism, doesn't mean you have to convert. not all religions as eager as mormons/christians to convert the world.
4. please move outside of Utah for at least a year. Realize that backcoming your hair isn't fashionable in the rest of the 49 states. That good people with high morals can still drink/smoke. That not everyone who isn't mormon isn't a bad person.
5. tell your parents you're gay, and/or leaving the church. see what their reaction is... is that love? would "jesus" do what your family did?
6. women are just as intelligent and strong as men. they are capable of working outside the home. men can be just as nuturing. it is not biologically proven than women were made more nuturing. be riskful; work and have your spouse be the primary caretaker.
7. goto school. even if you never use your degree at least this way when you're childs in highschool algebra you can have some clue whats going on rather than saying "go ask your father!"
8. know that if you don't go on a mission (even if you're male) you're not a bad person. you're still able to be active and have a testimony. a mission is -not- for everyone, regardless of what your parents say and your bishop teaches... girls if you're 21 and not married, live it up!! you're still way young. don't feel pressured to go "just ecause you're 21!"
9.be careful of your actions/words. granted some "non-mormons" may have different values or outlooks than you; by shunning them or telling them you can't hang out w/ them because they aren't mormon is not a good example of your church. it will only make them look at your church with hate and hostility.
10. last but not least; when bearing your testimony please stop thanking your friends/family/ward members/tissues/relief society/etc. these things don't "save" you..
» Great Resources!
Hey everyone, get something by Walter Martin! A talk, an essay, tract or book. This guy is good!

He became a believer out of agnosticism and up until his death was a missionary to the cults, namely LDS and JW's. There is another good resource out there, a book called KINGDOM OF THE CULTS. Apparently a very good book. Pick it up! I will too.

God Bless you all.

PS - don't go against the programming of the cults but don't buy into their doctrines. Remember that you can win an arguement but lose the soul.
» Who knew this?
Todd Compton
In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith
from the publisher:
Beginning in the 1830s, at least thirty-three women married Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism. These were passionate relationships which also had some longevity, except in cases such as that of two young sisters, one of whom was discovered by Joseph's first wife, Emma, in a locked bedroom with the prophet. Emma remained a steadfast opponent of polygamy throughout her life.
The majority of Smith's wives were younger than he, and one-third were between fourteen and twenty years of age. Another third were already married, and some of the husbands served as witnesses at their own wife's polyandrous wedding. In addition, some of the wives hinted that they bore Smith children--most notably Sylvia Sessions's daughter Josephine--although the children carried their stepfather's surname.

For all of Smith's wives, the experience of being secretly married was socially isolating, emotionally draining, and sexually frustrating. Despite the spiritual and temporal benefits, which they acknowledged, they found their faith tested to the limit of its endurance. After Smith's death in 1844, their lives became even more "lonely and desolate." One even joined a convent. The majority were appropriated by Smith's successors, based on the Old Testament law of the Levirate, and had children by them, though they considered these guardianships unsatisfying. Others stayed in the Midwest and remarried, while one moved to California. But all considered their lives unhappy, except for the joy they found in their children and grandchildren.

Todd Compton, Ph.D., classics, UCLA, is the editor of Hugh Nibley's Mormonism and Early Christianity, a contributor to The Encyclopedia of Mormonism and Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism, and has been published in the American Journal of Philology, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Classical Quarterly, and the Journal of Popular Culture, among others. He currently plays electric violin in the Mark Davis Group, which performs at coffee houses and music clubs in the Los Angeles area, and is the assistant systems manager for Paul, Hastings, Jaofski, and Walker. He lives in Santa Monica, California.
» Intro
Hi, your community really struck a chord in me. I'm a relatively new Christian, and I was a JW until I was 13 years old. My mom still claims to be a JW, but she never goes to Kingdom Hall. From what I've gathered, she has questions in her faith, but she refuses to see the true path to God. I don't really understand her that well. We had a showdown one day, and I pulled out both my NASV and the New World Translation. My mom only pulled out her Reasoning with the Scriptures. Neither of us could convince each other of anything. From what I've learned in the past few months, JWs have based their faith on lies. It scares me that my mom holds on to these lies. I'm not really sure what to do for her except pray every night and trust that God will show her the way. I hope I haven't been bashing JWs. Forgive me if I have. Maybe this community can help me.
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