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Jul. 6th, 2004 @ 01:30 pm
sliphornsolo
Hey everyone... I want to get my Quarterly News Magazine off the ground.

Yes, that's right! THE CLOCKTOWER is going hardcopy!

Ministry to JW's/Mormons everywhere!

What I need:

1. Prayer

2. Money, (paper, ink, postage, etc)

3. A system of accountability for the money, possibly my home Church http://www.calvarygrace.net/

4. support of all kinds

5. serious and well thought article writers

6. hardworking researchers

7. Mailing lists

8. volunteers and evangelists!

9. anything else you can think of


Anyone interested? Reply to this post! Share this link with others of interest!

Jul. 5th, 2004 @ 12:10 pm
sliphornsolo
JW's have never been honest with me and answered my questions about the bible in an intelligent way. Many JW's are intelligent, but they don't use their intelligence when it comes to the Bible. They just say what the Watchtower tells them to say. IE: the WTS' Publication, REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES might aswell be titled 1001 WAYS THE WATCHTOWER WANTS YOU TO DO THEOLOGY. Furthermore, I ran into a lady last week, a JW, who tried to tell me that the Tetragrammaton (or God's Hebrew Name transliterated YHWH from where we get our English translated Jehovah) appeared in the KOINE GREEK NEW TESTAMENT. Obviously this is not true, because everywhere the New World Translation says Jehovah in the New Testament, the Greek word is (transliterated) Kurios which when translated means Lord or Master, not Jehovah. Pick up a Kingdom interlinear and see for yourself. This is done 237 times in the NWT's New Testament, and JW's have the nerve to tell ME that it's my fault that scholars and translators have "taken the Name of God OUT" oof the Scriptures! If you ask me about this, I say that people are afraid of bringing God's Hebrew Name into the mundane and that it's not really a superstition as much as it is respecting and fearing God, for this is wise!!

So, if you are up to answering my questions about scripture that no one else can answer, then please feel free to ask me what my questions are.

Jun. 29th, 2004 @ 08:48 am
blairpettrey
interested in sharing your love with Jesus Christ to others? why not join utahchristians !!!

for those in and out of Utah, who love Jesus Christ and want to share his message with those who may not know him personally!
- blair

x-posted like crazy! Jun. 17th, 2004 @ 03:06 pm
blairpettrey
many of you know, as i have come to this community/others many of times, with some of the same questions. but i'll briefly fill you in if you don't.

last august, i was baptized into the church of jesus christ of latter day saints a.k.a mormon. well shortly after i was encouraged to move to Utah, as in Utah my oppurtunity for "marriage was higher since there were more LDS members there" (here) Anyhow, i finally got out of the LDS religion... well I stopped being active at least. I still struggle with wanting it to be true (for social reasons...) Anyhow, pre-august, I admit I was more of a "sunday christian" but I at least had my head on straight with christ, and i know if i died.. i would have gone to heaven.

now i can't even believe i ever believed in that. i want so much to know the truth... a truth, anything. i'm so torn between the LDS church and actual christanity. they are so seperate from me, and i'm so just sick and ready to throw my hands up and give up on christ in entirity. i know it's not about a church or religion, but your walk with christ, etc etc. but i'm lost, and torn.. and all i want to know is desperately what i once knew.


please keep me in your prayers?
-blair

May. 14th, 2004 @ 11:49 pm
sliphornsolo
Ridiculous how the Watchtower Society even slanders Chess, Awake 1973, March 22, pp13-14! Ridiculous!
Other entries
» My discovery of great error in the BOM ...
1 Nephi 4:26 (BOM 1981) says:

"And he, supposing that I spake of the brethren of the church, and that I was truly that Laban whom I had slain, wherefore he did follow me."




I've discovered a great error all on my own, (probably with God's help though) and the Mormon missionaries were here to witness my discovery, which I am sure helped to sow doubt into them.

This event apparently "took place" between 600 B.C. and 592 B.C. And it was apparently "written down" by Nephi (if he ever existed) himself.



The problem is with the word "church" in this text. Does anyone know why?
» Heaven, Hell, Earth???
According to the JW's the only eternal consequence for sin is lack of consciousness. But what does the Bible teach?
» cults ... UNITE!?
i know you can compare any 2 religions basically, and often times masonry and mormonism is... but i was just curious if anyone else had seen the similarity of the Islam faith and Mormonism. i'm quite the intellient one on Mormonism after being a member and learning everything possible...(i know more than most members!) But I was doing research on Islam and the similarity is uncanny!



I.E. the once practice of pologamy, the 2.5%/10% tithing obligation, faith+works for salvation/felicity, etc.


just curious:)
» Here's a bit of a story...but WORTH IT.
Mark read this post and asked me to re-post it in the community. It may be long, but it's inspiring....despite the pain its caused anyway. Go nuts.



There's too much from that night to even begin to recount. Where do I begin...

He picked me up, and we drove to the Frogstone Grill. We've been there before. Lots. There was a bit of a wait to get inside, so we sat out on the bench (it was so nice out) and I showed him my pictures from Ottawa, and we had a couple laughs about the "Delux Entertainment" Escort Service business that just opened up in front of the bench we were sittting in.

When we finally got in, we sat down, and he asked if i had a boyfriend. I told him, no. Then he proceeded to ask me to tell him the "real reasons" why i am planning on going to Montreal. I told him. I think he felt better. He told me that he doesn't want me to go, but at the same time, he thinks i should go. Fine.

I thought that was it. The conversation just sort of died (this never happens with us). And then he opened up.

He leaned closer in to me, and put his elbows on the table. He looked straight at me and said, "I actually do have to talk to you about something else. If you want me to stop, at any time, just tell me and I'll stop talking about it, okay?" I nod. "Okay."

Dustin tells me then that he never regret anything that happened between us. A while before, his mother asked him if he thought he did the right thing. He said to her, "I wish i could believe that I did. I want so much to think that I did the right thing. But i don't."

He tells me that he thought I was the reason that he lost his faith. The week after we broke up, he went to a meeting, thinking that he was going to get back on track with his religion again. He hasn't been to a meeting since. He tells me that to him, going to a meeting, repenting, confessing, whatever....all of it would say that he thought what happened between us was wrong. And he refuses to go on that reason alone.

Dustin then tells me collectedly, "I think i want to leave the organization."

I swear, my jaw must have dropped to my collar.

The conversation of the next hour 1/2 took on a completely different tone. So many things came out of it...and though I've always felt I've known him well...I don't think I've ever felt closer to him, despite the fact that this is the first time we've actually spent time together in four months. Speaking of which, he said to me at one point.... actually, i think he opened up the conversation this way:

"It'll be four months this weekend that we broke up."

"Oh, right..." I say, surprised. It wasn't something I had really thought about. We broke up December 30th. I guess that means, today. Huh.

We talk a bit about "moving on" from each other.

"Hows that going for you?" He asks.

"Meh, you know," I shrug. (pause) "How about you?"

He looks down and sighs, "Not so good."

Things are tumbling out and I feel so nervous and strange that I can't even eat the dinner that's sitting in front of me. Dustin's still in love with me. He wants to dissassociate himself from the Jehovah's Witnesses. He doesnt even know what he believes anymore.

I tell him, "I always knew you were too smart for it, Dust." He nods. "Did I ever tell you that?"

I respond, "I don't think so."

He continues: "Because its something I realized, too."

He tells me how he was depressed for months after we broke up. That he's still not even happy. He tells me there were weeks that he barely spoke, after I told him i didn't want anything to do with him. Finally, his mother took him out for lunch and demanded he tell her everything. She's amazing. And she understood him. What's more....after years of raising children as Jehovah's Witnesses, she admits to him that after all this time, she still doesn't know what even she believes. He tells me she's optimistic though. I remember he used to tell me that i was "too optimistic."

So I tell him: "Well, you know what i think? I think you're too pessimistic, Dustin. You believe things to fail so strongly, that they actually turn out that way."

He nods. There's a long pause. Nods again. I begin to think I might have hurt his feelings. I being to try and turn myself around....and then he says:

"No, that's exactly how I am...the only thing that doesn't make me that way..." he pauses,"....is you."

Oh.

Later we're back on the topic of his religion.

"I don't think I can be involved with anything that makes me make those kinds of decisions." (breaking up with me).

"I don't think I can be involved with something that makes me hate myself."

"Hate yourself?" I ask.

"Hate myself...not myself...but hate the way I acted....for being such a coward." He looks strained, "Do you know what I mean?"

There's more. A lot more. And then finally, he closes: "I just really thought that you deserved to know all of this, Darryn. I felt like i needed to tell you.... (pause) ...Because you're the only you I know."




And so it went. There hasn't been a fuller can of worms opened in all of history, i think. I'm still not sure as to the direction that I'm headed in now, but all i can say is that I'm proud of that motherfucker. I love him to bits. And yes, I'm crazy too.
» Hi, Everyone
I'm new here.

I wanted to ask you guys if you know of any good web sites outlining different cults. There's one I always used to use that had the word "bible" in it, but I'm looking for any.

Thanks!
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